Live Wireless USB 2.0 Demo #1 on Kickstarter!
This live stream hosted on YouTube Live and Kickstarter features the launch of the world’s first wireless USB extender built for 1080p video. The USB2AIR is a next generation wireless USB link system which features two tranceivers with bi-directional wireless transmission link up to 30 Mbps. 30 Megabits per second is enough bandwidth to provide realiable connections for multiple webcams, audio devices and USB connectivity for products such as touch screens and interactive displays. In this video, Paul Richards and Matthew Davis provide a live demo and take questions from the audience. The USB2AIR is currently available on Kickstarter with early bird discounts for a total of only $254 which is roughly 20% off MSRP for the product which is slated to ship May of 2017.
Live Show Transcript
Paul Richards: Hello everybody, Paul Richards here with HuddleCamHD
Matthew Davis: And Matthew Davis with HuddleCamHD
Paul Richards: We are going to launch today the USB2AIR the world’s first wireless USB2 extender built for 1080p Video.
Matthew Davis: Yeah, it’s exciting
Paul Richards: We’re really excited about it; Matt is going to be here to answer any of the technical questions, Matt is our lead engineer
Matthew Davis: At least do my best if not I’ll get you answers after the fact.
Paul Richards: We’re going to go over the limitations of this product, when you have a wireless product like this everyone thinks “Oh what can it do?” well we’re going to talk about what it can’t do and so that when you back this project and you receive this product you know that it’s going to work for whatever you are trying to use it for because there is a lot of different thing you can use it for
Matthew Davis: Yeah, and on that note we’ve done our best to rack our brains for the equipment that we use or that we know works for it, that being said we’re totally open to hearing any ideas of USB2 equipment. Any ideas, we’ve gotten some great feedback from users already or potential users so please, please keep those ideas coming.
Paul Richards: So one of the first things we wanted to do was thank your latest YouTube subscribers, so that’s going to cover me up a little Matt can I come over there?
Matthew Davis: Yeah certainly.
Paul Richards: so first of all we wanted to thank John Robert Lightfoot, we want to thank Hector Rivera, IR, Troy Edwards, Soulo Sports, Steven Nitura, Jose Diaz, Annette Howard, ElyonTeam and KD bead. These are all YouTube suscribers, thank you so much for subscribing to our YouTube channel. Here is the next big thing here is we want to thank our current kick-starter backers.
Matthew Davis: You guys have dove in early and we appreciate it.
Current Kickstarer Backers
Paul Richards: Here is our Kick starter backers, Hammad Alomaira, Yanick Beauleu, Thomas Kyte, comeschone Young Skywalker, Rick, the 3D guy, William Schawtz. Our first ever, thank you so much. So currently we have 7 decker’s Nick is here, he’s saying cool production and video overlay. Thank you. This is kind of what we do, it’s live streaming and this is just one extra product that is going to make live streaming for you guys out there, video production, video conferencing, virtual reality, so many different things that this products going to do so we’re going to actually show you a live demo, it’s actually working right now, so we’re going to zoom into this product, show you what it looks like and why don’t we go ahead and zoom into it Tess and show this guys what it looks like. So here is our cam-2 here and first of all, I’m going to get rid of this lower third so that you guys can see a little better, this is the product here so Matt you want to explain what we have here?
USB 2.0 Wireless Extension Limit
Matthew Davis: yeah, so what we’ve got right here for the prototype that we’re working on, you got a transceiver, so it’s a transmitter and a receiver, you then have it going to a four port hub because that’s about the maximum this can support, it’s 4 devices if selected properly, we’ve got power and then we’ve got a USB cable that currently is going to a PTZ optics camera, so what we are going to see here in a little bit is this device wirelessly transmitting that content to a laptop. Now we are currently in a very close proximity but that being said you can go easily 12 foot, 10 to 12 foot without proper line of sight, if you get proper line of sight you can probably get up between twenty to 30ft out of this product from what we’ve tested ourselves.
Paul Richards: Yes so what we’re going to do is first of all it’s already connected but one of the things I was thinking Matt is just disconnecting it and showing what that looks like so Tess is going ahead and zoom into this. So let’s unplug it and re-plug it. This is a windows 10 laptop, see what happens when you unplug it, unplugs, see that right there at the bottom right, it says device disconnected and then Matt’s going to go ahead and plug it in just like a regular USB device, you plug it in
Matthew Davis: Sorry everybody, this isn’t my laptop, I don’t where my ports are
Paul Richards: and then when it plugs in it take about… how long do you think it takes?
Matthew Davis: well I’m going to put it to auto-negotiate here
Windows 10 and Auto-Negotiation
Paul Richards: You should see at the bottom right, this is windows 10, when you plug it in, …there it goes, right there and as soon as that is connected, it’s as if it’s a direct connection between this camera and the computer so it’s completely wireless and I don’t know Matt if you wanted to hold up the computer to show that there is no nothing.
Matthew Davis: yeah, so all we’ve got is the dongle and power going into the laptop just because it’s a good idea.
Paul Richards: We don’t want to run out of battery, you can unplug it if you want to. Now Matt’s going to go ahead and turn the video on and this is the camera right here.
Matthew Davis: So what we are seeing right here, this device, the device itself will introduce no more than 1 mill seconds of latency, so if you’re getting anything more than that it’s going to be coming out of your camera, your PC, things like that, this should allow for pretty much instantaneous video.
Bandwidth Chart for Wireless USB
Paul Richards: Now let’s go ahead and take a look at the bandwidth chart because that’s one of the most important thing. Jay Rich is saying that HuddleCamHD can only stream HD with USB 3.0, how can it do it wirelessly with USB2.0. let’s answer that question and then we’ll look at this bandwidth chart in a moment here. So I’ll help take that question…
Matthew Davis: On that question, Jay Rich, if you take a look we also have 2 cameras, the huddle cam 10X720 and we also have a huddle cam 3X both of this cameras are capable of 720 and 1080p feeds over USB 2 the difference comes in the compression methods used. Certain compression methods will put more of a burden on your PC, other ones handle it more on the camera depending on the horsepower that your device has and in this instance, what we are doing is taking USB 2 products or in the instance of the PTZ optics as a primary example that is a USB 3 Device. We are setting it into a higher compression method we’re doing H264 over USB and then bringing it into the laptop.
Paul Richards: Let’s go ahead and zoom into this camera here, I want to show the back of this, so this is actually USB 3.0 camera but we’re using a USB 2.0 cable and 8.264 compression so by doing that it actually allows us to reduce the bandwidth needed to transfer 1080p video and then what we’ll do is we’ll go ahead and show the next camera which is the Logitech c920
Matthew Davis: it just went dead over here so we’ve disconnected the camera a new one gets plugged in.
Paul Richards: I just plugged in the Next camera
Making the Logitech c920 Wireless
Matthew Davis: And it’s already showing up and there is our Logitech, c920 or 930 either way
Paul Richards: So yeah I think it’s a c920 here and let’s talk about latency for a second man. So what I’m still being told is that less than a mill seconds of latency?
Matthew Davis: yes, this device itself will introduce about a mill-seconds of latency into any data been transferred.
Paul Richards: So that’s really kind of the gist of it, I’d like to go to the bandwidth now and show how that works. So the bandwidth for this device is 30MB/sec right?
Matthew Davis: Yes, that’s about where it maxes out, if you can irk a little extra out of it you’re lucky but I wouldn’t expect any more than that
Paul Richards: So looking at this chart here, if you’re doing 720p which is fairly normal, even a high quality 720p stream is only 5MB/sec, so technically you could probably easily have two 720 feeds on this.
Matthew Davis: yeah, I’ve done quite a bit of testing with multiple cameras. Multiple settings, there is ways to achieve a lot of really neat things with multiple cameras but we’re going to have to sit there and tweak the settings if you’re going to be using it for more than a camera at the time just make sure everything place nice with each other as there is limited bandwidth here.
Paul Richards: yes, there’s the bandwidth. Let’s talk a little bit about the conceptual design, the prototype that we have here. This is the prototype.
Matthew Davis: So this is the prototype, we’ve been working with some really, really smart engineers on this one they’ve amazed me at every turn and lo and behold, we get a prototype at this point that we’re trying to bring to you the public so back in December was kind of when discussions really began about how to achieve something like this, some of you might have seen some of our articles, we had a huddle cam air, have a huddle pod air, we really wanted to bring something non-proprietary that wasn’t just built into a device but allowed you to choose what you wanted to connect to it, and we’re trying to accomplish that to the best of our abilities.
Paul Richards: Yeah, and in February we did the big press release, here we are end of February launching kick starter and this is roughly a 30 day kick starter so we’re trying to raise $10,000 on the kick starter in roughly a little bit more than 30 days so we have a little extra time to work out the bugs, test live streaming on kick starter but everything seems to be working out well, and finally in May hopefully maybe before May that will be product deliver so if you’re backing this project just know that it does say on there that product delivery will not be until May if we’re lucky.
Matthew Davis: yeah exactly, we are going to do everything we can depending on the funding levels we get here, it might allow us to do it a little sooner but yeah at the moment it’s looking about may for deliver and if everything sells out I guess we’ll have to start figuring out how to get out next batch made even quicker.
Paul Richards: Yes, once this first batch has been created, we’ll be able to start delivering the product faster and faster in fact speaking of delivery of the product, let’s look at the incentives for kick starter. As you can see here a $5 will get you a shout out of course if you’ve subscribe to our YouTube channel you get a shout-out every week at least the last ten. $25 you get a custom t-shirt, at $250 we have an early bird special care where you can get the early bird pair, if we’re having connection issue on kick starter for whatever reason, we can actually post YouTube link and I’m sure everything is fine there on YouTube, Kick starter just released its live streaming platform what I’d really be happy to see is if there is …looks like Jay Lambert saying “he’s considering USB2AIR to connect laptops such as a touch screen monitor any thoughts?”
Using the Sabrent USB-HDMI for Wireless Displays
Matthew Davis: yes, we have some fantastic thoughts for you on that one. If you are trying to do something where is a true USB monitor not just a touch interactive monitor, we have done some extensive testing with the MEMO monitors, with Sharp touch interactive displays and a few others so you just have to yet again be aware of the resolution so the MEMO monitors work really well, we get touch control, we get, I think it’s a 720 or 1280 by 800ft out of it and that works fantastically. We’ve had great success with that, that been said, we’ve also utilized these devices with a Sabrent USB to HDMI, that’s a USB 2 model along with plugging a sharp Interactive display touching our activity directly into the device so now what we are able to do is have the video transmit from the PC to the Touch interactive display over a form of wireless HDMI and then we were able to bring the touch control back to the PC so this is definitely something that is going to be useful , just make sure it’s a USB 2 monitor that you’re looking at.
Paul Richards: Yes, there are some USB 3 once out there that are not going to work, it has to be USB 2, very good point Matt, the other thing I wanted to mention is, can we talk a little bit about the virtual reality market?
Matthew Davis: So one of the things that originally occurred with this obviously we have a heavy focus on video, it’s kind of the world we live in. The engineers we were working with had a big strong personal interest in virtual reality and as a result this product actually accommodates both, now that being said VR is kind of still till this day in its infant state, so what we are seeing out there there’s a lot of thing that would work for us some that it doesn’t if it’s something that you’re interested in please contact us and we’d be happy to go into a little more detail about what we know works for and what it doesn’t but the main idea is you have this headsets and you have this giant, giant cables that are going from the headset and your sensors and gloves and everything else all the way back to a PC so any extra cables that you can eliminate helps so what we are really looking to doing is eliminating the control cables, sensor cables, things like that even up to the video depending on how you want to handle that. This device is being built to have specific video channels, HID channels, it’s really kind of designed for conferencing, streaming, and VR at this point and potentially AR when it matures a little bit more.
Paul Richards: Turned off the background music, we seem to always leave the background music on in all of our streams I apologies, I think a lot more people are on YouTube now because the stream is so much higher quality but kick starters doing a great job and that’s why we’re here, what is the projected price of this unit from Brad Abrams.
Matthew Davis: MSRP I believe is $329
Paul Richards: So $329 makes the incentive discounts, roughly in the neighborhood of 25% off roughly, so this is your one chance to get this product at a lower early bird price, once this all sell out here, we’re going to have an additional tear if it’s within the 30 days of our kick starter where we are going to have lower discounts, longer delivery time.
Matthew Davis: yeah, it’s going to have to be [inaudible 16:00], if the kick starter does max out here, we’re basically offering everything we’ve got to you the public right off the bat. We really think there is going to see some exciting things and we get the feeling that putting out there to you, you’re going to come back to us with some really exciting use cases, ideas all sorts of fun things.
Questions for the Live Show
Tess Protesto: Questions on YouTube here, we’ve got a clarification question, the receiver end will go into a video mixer?
Matthew Davis: No, so this is USB only.
Paul Richards: Now it is possible like Matt said to actually use a USB to HDMI adapter
Matthew Davis: So if you wanted to get video out of your PC as an example, you could do that through this but if you’re trying to bring the video like you have a USB camera plugged in and you’re trying to bring that feed into something else, that’s not really what it’s meant for you have to use a PC to do that at this point.
Tess Protesto: what about HDMI to rear or SDI to rear
Matthew Davis: Yet again it would have to be a USB product, so if you can find a USB to SDI, a UB to HDMI input you will be able to utilize that with this system.
Paul Richards: Although most of the frame grabbers and things like that are USB 3, that’s something we haven’t tested though.
Matthew Davis: We’ve done some testing with the USB, a lot of them don’t really play nice, you start dropping frames, the PTZ optics camera is able to accommodate a USB 2 connection, it’s definitely changing the compression but that being said we weren’t able to achieve the same things with a lot of the frame grabbers currently on the market.
Paul Richards: yeah and you don’t see any USB 2 frame grabbers?
Matthew Davis: They might be out there but at the moment we’ve never really had a reason to look into any USB 2 frame grabbers but as a result of this discussion I can pretty much guarantee you when I go back to my desk I’m going to be peeking.
Paul Richards: here’s another interesting application of something that we found out works quite nicely, has anyone heard of this leap motion? Can you tell us a little bit about this product man.
Matthew Davis: So Leap motion is really, really neat, yet again they have a heavier focus on the virtual reality market because essentially what it allows you to do if you had on this goggles you could mount it up in front and as you move your hand’s it’s actually tracking your hands and the way it does this …so on this little tiny device, what you’re actually going to get is the ability to have IR sensors and it’s got a really little camera in there as well and as you move around, it’s actually sensing where your hand is and the gestures you make so you are able to call presets, control things, interact with other devices, make triggers, it’s really a nifty product.
Paul Richards: yeah, that’s just one, there are so many microscopes there’s USB Microscopes, Document cameras, microphones, speaker phone…
Matthew Davis: USB blood pressure, monitors, the list goes on, we first started talking to some people and they just started spitting out ideas like the blood pressure monitor. I had never even thought about that use until somebody brought it up.
Paul Richards: yeah and there’s so many USB 2 devices that just simply are not wireless, so that’s really why we’re going to kick start it with this, this is why we’re coming to you guys with a huge hefty discount to say “Hey, get this early, be the early technology adopter, be the tech enthusiast, and get your hands on this earliest, we want to hear back from you, we’d love to know what you’re using it for
Matthew Davis: yeah, we like user feedback a lot.
Tess Protesto: Dave Olson what about USB 3 is it too much bandwidth or wireless technology
Matthew Davis: USB 3 starts stepping into a different realm there are ways to handle USB 3 but not necessarily in an affordable manner and at the moment, this specific style of technology is not applicable for USB 3.
Paul Richards: so I wonder though with the USB 3 frame grabbers if we used the USB 2 cable.
Matthew Davis: yeah, we tested that, unfortunately it just starts dropping frames, seems to be the most common result
Tess Protesto: Justin said “So can you send USB mic and camera feed at the same thing with this?”
Matthew Davis: yes, so on that note as some of you may be aware, unfortunately it’s a little delayed on delivery but we also have a product called the Huddle cam 3X audio, so this camera specifically is a 3X pen, tilt and zoom camera with microphones built in and it’s got RS232 control as well over the same USB line, you plug it in you get all three things over there to your PC so currently yeah, you can do audio, you can do video, you can even do control, yet again USB 2, USB 2, USB 2
Paul Richards: We already have a USB 2 speakerphone that’s in the huddle pod that’s shipping you can buy it from Amazon today but what you’re asking and this is a perfect example is a Logitech c920 here has a camera and a microphone built right in so if we pan over a little bit you’ll see that all the functionality of this webcam is inside of the monitor right there, you’ll see is that Yes we’re getting live video…
Matthew Davis: but if we go to the joint audio, we can see that I’m not going to do it to avoid any loops here but…
Paul Richards: if we can zoom in Tess to that computer, can you zoom into the computer? I don’t know if you guys can see that but Matt the Logitech is showing up right?
Matthew Davis: yeah it’s right there c920 and if you really can see, you’ll see that the audio bar is bouncing around, testing, testing, I actually can get that a little better for people, testing, testing, testing 1, 2, 3, so that’s actually the c920 picking us up, so yeah, audio and video no big deal just focus on USB 2 to USB 2 I know I’m saying that a lot but I really want to drive it home so that nobody is disappointed when they get one of this.
Paul Richards: it’s USB 2 and it’s that bandwidth constraint of 30MB/sec so anything plugged into this is going to look like it’s plugged directly into your computer as long as you are not maxing out the bandwidth limitations that we’ve specified in the documentation.
Tess Protesto: Couple more questions in the chat “will the USB2AIR also allow PTZ camera control, is there a joystick controller that will work with this?”
Matthew Davis: So on that note we’ve done some, there is some unique things that you can do at that point, so you can plug in a USB to RS232 adaptor along with your camera and then on your PC side you’ll have the ability to control It from pen, tilt and zoom software if you then wanted to attach a joystick that’s something please contact us directly, it’s a little complex but there are ways to actually attach a joystick directly to your PC so that you’ll be getting control through your PC to the camera wirelessly using USB 2 Air.
Paul Richards: So that allows you to do Rs232 controls which opens up a whole another world of uses where if anyone is in the audio visual industry you know Rs232 can be used to turn on televisions and projectors, switches and all kind of things, but I’m also thinking Matt, UVC control, like standard USB control of this camera will that work?
Matthew Davis: passes right through
Paul Richards: so I’m not sure we’re going to be able to test that here.
Matthew Davis: we can make a video later to show people if they have interest.
Paul Richards: We are going to try to live stream every Friday onto kick starter through this process where we are answering questions, showing things, Tess read the questions.
Tess Protesto: based on your chart, it would appear you could stream from 2 cameras and a mic at the same time? Correct?
Paul Richards: you want to do 2 cameras man?
Matthew Davis: yeah actually, give me a moment, I’m going to temporarily disconnect myself from the audio so you’re not going to hear me but I’m going to come around and I’m going to pull up two cameras here. I think you’ve got VLC on here hopefully.
Paul Richards: I can pass this back to you if you’re going to go over there. Here you go, here is your mic.
Matthew Davis: In a moment you guys can talk in chat and I’ll get this set up.
Paul Richards: Get another angle maybe we do have a secondary camera angle we can use with a rookie controller over here helping us out but yeah, things are looking good. Could be worse, that’s our bandwidth chart there, we talked about that a little bit and I was just thinking we’d switch to the second cam but give Matt a little head room. There we go and Matt’s going to show two cameras. So there we go, Matt’s going to plug both camera’s into …so Tess what’s is our preset for this here?
Tess Protesto: The middle one is 7
Paul Richards: Alright so let’s go to 7
Matthew Davis: And everybody please I apologies at the moment, the only thing I’ve got to do this is going to be VLC which can be a little problematic.
Paul Richards: Yeah, YouTube is coming through crystal clear, kick starter came back, that’s good
Tess Protesto: Paul maybe you can answer a question while Matt is setting up.
Paul Richards: Okay
Tess Protesto: Are there any USB 2 product that you are aware that don’t work so well with this device? Maybe are challenging that we know off, apple compatibility?
Paul Richards: We haven’t even covered that yet, I was zooming into this, let’s cover the apple compatibility this is the 4 port hub here, as you can see I’m just going to twist it just a hare you can see here there is 2 camera’s plugged in now, so we’re going to try 2 cameras at the same time. Matt’s going to pull them in on VLC in a split screen mode. So let’s just zoom out back here so Matt is going to show 2 cameras at once now, there is another thing you know we probably should have just done from the beginning we are learning as we go here a little bit but what was the question Tess? Oh products that are problematic. Let’s mention the “Oh Spotify is playing” we should definitely turn off our screen, make it call for a copyright. Live streaming issues out there. This is a windows only product, there is a piece of software that downloads on to your computer where it comes free with the product that basically is the interface that recognizes the USB drivers so this is not going to work for Mac, it will work for windows 7 and above, that means Windows 7, windows 8, windows 8.1 and windows 10. So now Matt’s got 2 cameras displaying at once here, there are two live cameras there as you can see. Can we zoom into that Tess?
Matthew Davis: yet again please I apologies for the fact VLC it introduces all sort of latency, we all love it, it’s a great test tool, it’s a little Swiss army knife but yeah, we’ve got the 2 feeds up live at one time you can kind of see things moving in the background, yet again it depends on your settings as sometimes you’d have to tweak it a little bit but yeah.
Paul Richards: So now if we zoom out just a little bit, again just slowly zoom out, we’re just trying to reveal how this all works, I’m hoping that it’s been informative here, we’re doing our best to show the limitations, what Rich I believe he just said, and I’m going to go back to the chart here is if you’ve got 2 cameras and two audio sources or 3 cameras and 4audio sources, as long as you’re below the bandwidth limitation you should be in the clear, David Eric is saying “Have you tested it with display link supporting USB camera HID and multiple displays?
Matthew Davis: I’m sorry, give me one seconds to come back around.
Paul Richards: Tess I guess maybe you can read that to him when he comes over.
Matthew Davis: I think I’ve got an answer for you but I’ll have to think for a second. So display link? Yes, when we did as an example the MEMO monitors required display link basically all the USB monitors I’ve done have require display link so yes it works with that, yet again if you’re doing multiple monitor output you have to be careful about the resolutions that you’re using that’s really the main thing.
Tess Protesto: Can it be used with v-mix?
Matthew Davis: I don’t know if we’ve tested that actually but that’s something that we’ll test as were starting to…
Paul Richards: There is no reason why it shouldn’t we actually have to go we have the PTZ optics live stream at 2’oclock we need some time to get ready, if you want to just roll those questions we’re going to answer them all every single Friday of this entire campaign we’re going to be live streaming answering your questions. Apple support on the horizon?
Matthew Davis: Unfortunately not the chips that’s just will not play nice with Linux or Mac operating system.
Paul Richards: So no apple support, it doesn’t say there is apple support in fact in the FAQ Tess we should ask that question, it does not work with apple. Anything else?
Tess Protesto: One more question came in on YouTube what is the Max effective range? Any frequency issues and other wireless and Bluetooth devices.
Matthew Davis: No, I mean like everything else in the world, to be of CC certified, it has to be able to be interrupted but at the moment using it in heavily congested wireless situations in cities, it has posed no problem, testing around here were we’ve got weird emergency, wireless signals, it has posed no problem, we also have some heavy, heavy, heavy duty wireless going on for our internet here and yet again, has posed no problems with other wireless equipment.
Paul Richards: Alright, well guys that’s if you have more questions or you’re watching this on demand and you have questions posted on our YouTube channel we’ll answer those comments, we’ll be back next Friday for our live streams throughout march, it’s a long month, 31 days of March but we have to go, thank you so much for watching this Bye everybody.